I was a teenager when Thatcher came to
power and I bless her for stealing the school milk I was forced to drink saving
countless numbers of children from lactaphobia. As a unit we had lived our
lives in a variety of council houses (and I am the better for that) but all at
once my ‘family’ were home owners. Of course nothing changed. The endless rows
went on. The slaps and slights of a labour - conservative - independent councilor father, too full of himself to notice anyone else, still went on. His
restlessness even came through in his politics, they changed with the climate
although he drew the line at liberal (I think). Anyway, thanks to Thatcher his
house was at last his own - and didn’t I know it.
I remember watching the miners and the police clash on the TV
in the living room of that house. But a boy in rural Oxfordshire was just that
and the mines were, for me, another country. They say ignorance is bliss and it might as well have been happening in Siberia for all the effect it had on me . I was more interested in watching ‘Call my
Bluff’ than the news. Meanwhile Margaret called the unions bluff, and that was
that.
Good or bad? I don’t know. But I do know that the unions had become as
corrupt as any government so if it wasn’t Thatcher it would have been somebody
else.
In retrospect she was probably right in many ways about Europe , wrong about privatisation and she should have
never pretended to be the Queen by using the royal ‘we’. The Queen she was not,
despite her terribly affected accent, not a hint of Lincolnshire remaining.
The Falklands ? Well, let’s
just say that, although I was of the right age, I wasn’t called up, much to my
relief, although for a while there was a question mark around it. I can’t help
thinking even now that the Falklands was a war
about very little but principle and penguins, But at least it was our war and
not someone else’s.
As for the Poll Tax; well, for once the people of this country stood up and got something done and as a result today we live without unfair and unlimited taxation (insert sarcasm symbol here).
As for the Poll Tax; well, for once the people of this country stood up and got something done and as a result today we live without unfair and unlimited taxation (insert sarcasm symbol here).
Margaret Thatcher you could love her, or hate her, or be
indifferent – just another politician in a long line of politicians who believed or believe that they know what the country needs. She wasn’t Hitler, or Churchill (who in my
mind is not much better than the former), she was herself in all her gaudy and
sometimes tarnished glory.
So that is my Margaret Thatcher. Here’s another by Damian
Thompson who is a journalist I much admire. I can’t completely disagree with a
single word.
“Let it be said, immediately and
unequivocally: Margaret Thatcher was the finest prime minister of the
post-war era, the only British politician in modern times to change Britain
– and so much for the better. As her aide Ferdinand Mount once said of her –
and he was by no means blind to her faults – she made Britons believe that
things were possible: that we could revive ourselves through a sheer act
of will and by blocking our ears to the enemies of progress. The intensity of
the hatred she inspired was, paradoxically, a tribute to her. No one who
changes the way a country works, to put it bluntly, can do so without
implementing policies that hurt people. She knew that, and regretted it, for
she was a kind lady. But Britain
is enormously in her debt. This is an immensely sad day.”
Well, I did say that I couldn't disagree completely.
One last thing. I found myself ranting at some bloke kicking
off about Thatcher and the funeral cost this morning. Now I'm no Thatcherite
but she did work hard for this country even if she got lots wrong. I think it was right to give her a decent send off and move on. I shan't watch it though, not even on the news.
Goodbye Margaret Thatcher – God
grant that you lie still.
Whilst I was never a huge fan of Mrs T – my own thoughts upon her passing slipped almost unregarded into a particularly dark corner of Lesser Blogfordshire last week – I still think that it’s “right” and “proper” to respect the office of the Prime Minister, even if you didn’t particularly respect the person who once held that office.
ReplyDeleteAfter all, whilst there seem to be few who regard George W Bush as the finest President the United States ever had, you can be damned certain that, when the time comes, he’ll be seen off with all the due pomp and circumstance that that country gives to all of its former leaders, whatever their party, so why shouldn’t we do the same for ours?
Yes, and we are in her debt one way or another. I know that I am unfortunately if only for my milk aversion.
ReplyDeleteWell that one certainly got some attention from my readers on Facebook.
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Kevin Parrott Excellent journalism from you Andy, and very fair comment.
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Paul Whitehouse Andi (!) Warhol
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Steve Bishop She got a lot wrong... But also got a hell of a lot right. I never voted for her, and used to argue fiercely against her stance on lots of issues, but before she stood firm and made a difference this country was in a downward spiral and was in a desper...See More
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Andrew Height Well said Steve. At the time I couldn't stand her but in retrospect she managed to make almost everyone aspirational. Whether that is a good thing or not is debatable but I think it better than the slough of no hope enjoyed by so many today.
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Andrew Height Thanks Kevin.
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Andrew Height I do my bet Paul.
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Paul Eddison At last! some balanced sensible comments on the subject - nice piece Andy.
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Andrew Height Thanks Mr Eddison. You can't be all things to all men but you can be some things to some men and that includes being both bad and good. At least she wasn't afraid of damaging her personal profile.
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Richard Shore When you say she called the unions bluff, I take it you mean she sent the police in to kick the shit out of them.
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ReplyDeletePaul Eddison All governments including hers where democratically elected, the unions had previously brought down 2 administrations. A country should never be ruled by special interest groups, whether that's bankers or miners.
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Andrew Height Actually Rick you are right that is exactly what she did. The Unions were out of control, but I don't condone the violence. If I had been her I'd have bought them as much beer as they could drink and kept on buying it. Seriously though, the miners who were fighting for their livelihoods took the kicking, the unions just posed. I might have been watching call my bluff but I always turned to ITN at 10 o'clock.
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Richard Shore As you'll see from my previous comment, my objection was not about taking on the unions, it was the manner in which it was done.
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Andrew Height And I agree with you. Bring on the beer!
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Simon Parker As our governments are democratically elected, a union can't bring them down, only the voters can. I think your perspective on her era depends much upon where you lived. I was in the North East and mainly I recall a lot of violence.
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Richard Shore I agree with your points about the unions posing Andy, and I'll shed no tears the day scargill dies.
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Paul Eddison When the lights and fires go out and dead go unburied people & governments capitulate fairly quickly - that's not democracy it's mob rule
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Paul Eddison Google The "Candle Maker's Petition" for an insight to the problem of coal/miners
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Richard Shore Google Battle of Orgreave for an insight into thatcher
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Phillip Yeadon Thatcher was a liar. I never voted conservative. I think she was probably mental.
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Richard Shore That really did make me laugh out loud
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Paul Eddison Show me any modern western nation where coal mining still accounts for the same proportion of GDP I did in the 1950s? I'm not saying the painful transition of any industry is fun for those involved... But if we didn't move on we'd be powering Facebook ...See More
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Richard Shore Once again, my objection is not what she did but how she did it. I am not arguing against modernisation, I'm arguing against sending in the police to kick the shit out of people.
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ReplyDeleteSimon Parker No-one in this thread is arguing against change or modernisation or suggesting we power facebook with oil. I think we 're just challenging the nature of the change and suggesting she was in fact, mental.
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Richard Shore That made me laugh out loud too
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Phillip Yeadon The Labour administration prior to 1979 actually closed more pits. I always wondered whether the Tory's motives, methods and timing were less about economics and more about reducing the political influence of unions. Well now it's the bankers who are the primary influencers.
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Andrew Height Me neither Rick, and yes Simon you are right. I don't live in North Korea either.
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Paul Eddison Correct Phil, it really doesn't matter if its bankers or miners, but my guess is probably more miners ended up in prison that bankers, personally I wouldn't bail out a mine and I wouldn't bail out a bank. We seem to be in a new order where loses are socialised and profits privatised. Or the worst of two systems as I like to call it
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Andrew Height In retrospect all politicians seem mental don't they? Name one that doesn't... now that could be another of my Facebook posts that goes viral... 'Name a politician living or dead who by their actions would not seem mental today?' With maybe a picture of John F. Kennedy?
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Paul Eddison Spot on Andy.... By definition have to be at least a sociopath to be politician in the modern world. Yet we keep seeking this people to run our lives - don't fall into the trap, non of the above - only way to vote!
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Simon Parker How about Shirley Williams?
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Paul Eddison I agree the pace of change was brutal and little was done to cushion the blow. In the face of a British trade unions I doubt 'another way' was possible - consider our trade unions to German ones, different kettle of fish altogether, a union failing in...See More
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Paul Eddison PPE oxcamtits <--- enough said
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Paul Eddison Social mobility in UK started declining about the time grammar schools took a beating from Shirley... Not intended I'm sure but worthy of investigation.
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Paul Eddison She's almost as good as Tristram Julian William Hunt, labour mp for stoke - the idiots don't even see the game, fair play to the mp, get a load of muppets to vote for you "While at Cambridge he was the president of the Footlights, where he was a contemporary of David Mitchell and Robert Webb." - nice work if you can get it<--- power to the people!
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Phillip Yeadon I wonder what it was about millionaire Denis that first attracted grocer's daughter Margaret? I think Margaret liked the attention of posh chaps with southern accents so no other women were allowed in cabinet. I think she was probably a bit of a snob too. I have to say for me she was always the enemy within. Slightly out of time. Like a Nazi jazz band.
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Phillip Yeadon Anyway Andi, nice blog, keep it up. You're admirably creative, your photos are good too Rick. Nighty night all.
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Paul Eddison Yeah not like Harriet Harman for the workers party! Who's cousin is David Cameron. No. At least thatcher wasn't a PPE wonk, and she had a real job for a short period of time
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Fraser Stewart I thought she was a remarkable woman. When she came to No. 10 she had a very different country from what we have now. A lady said I wouldn't say that if I came from a mining community but I came from a steel and mining town (Motherwell) and I did work for a year in the steel works in the late 70's so I saw the scale of the problems that politicians were grappling with and I guess that only someone with courage and a strength of character like Mrs. Thatcher was able to confront the Unions at that time.
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Richard Shore So you should be judged by your background not your actions?
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Paul Eddison She's almost as good as Tristram Julian William Hunt, labour mp for stoke - the idiots don't even see the game, fair play to the mp, get a load of muppets to vote for you "While at Cambridge he was the president of the Footlights, where he was a contemporary of David Mitchell and Robert Webb." - nice work if you can get it<--- power to the people!
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Phillip Yeadon I wonder what it was about millionaire Denis that first attracted grocer's daughter Margaret? I think Margaret liked the attention of posh chaps with southern accents so no other women were allowed in cabinet. I think she was probably a bit of a snob too. I have to say for me she was always the enemy within. Slightly out of time. Like a Nazi jazz band.
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Phillip Yeadon Anyway Andi, nice blog, keep it up. You're admirably creative, your photos are good too Rick. Nighty night all.
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Paul Eddison Yeah not like Harriet Harman for the workers party! Who's cousin is David Cameron. No. At least thatcher wasn't a PPE wonk, and she had a real job for a short period of time
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Fraser Stewart I thought she was a remarkable woman. When she came to No. 10 she had a very different country from what we have now. A lady said I wouldn't say that if I came from a mining community but I came from a steel and mining town (Motherwell) and I did work for a year in the steel works in the late 70's so I saw the scale of the problems that politicians were grappling with and I guess that only someone with courage and a strength of character like Mrs. Thatcher was able to confront the Unions at that time.
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Richard Shore So you should be judged by your background not your actions?
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Paul Eddison She's almost as good as Tristram Julian William Hunt, labour mp for stoke - the idiots don't even see the game, fair play to the mp, get a load of muppets to vote for you "While at Cambridge he was the president of the Footlights, where he was a contemporary of David Mitchell and Robert Webb." - nice work if you can get it<--- power to the people!
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Phillip Yeadon I wonder what it was about millionaire Denis that first attracted grocer's daughter Margaret? I think Margaret liked the attention of posh chaps with southern accents so no other women were allowed in cabinet. I think she was probably a bit of a snob too. I have to say for me she was always the enemy within. Slightly out of time. Like a Nazi jazz band.
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Phillip Yeadon Anyway Andi, nice blog, keep it up. You're admirably creative, your photos are good too Rick. Nighty night all.
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Paul Eddison Yeah not like Harriet Harman for the workers party! Who's cousin is David Cameron. No. At least thatcher wasn't a PPE wonk, and she had a real job for a short period of time
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Fraser Stewart I thought she was a remarkable woman. When she came to No. 10 she had a very different country from what we have now. A lady said I wouldn't say that if I came from a mining community but I came from a steel and mining town (Motherwell) and I did work for a year in the steel works in the late 70's so I saw the scale of the problems that politicians were grappling with and I guess that only someone with courage and a strength of character like Mrs. Thatcher was able to confront the Unions at that time.
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Richard Shore So you should be judged by your background not your actions?
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ReplyDeleteFraser Stewart No…I base things on my experience not background.
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Fraser Stewart And background has nothing to do with it.
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Richard Shore So did a lot of miners
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Maree Roberts great photos
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Linda Kemp Not worth ten million though
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Paul Eddison The cost and plan was approved by the last LABOUR government... Bit like the Milk & Miners - Labour do it, she gets the blame! I'm no Thatcherite either but my god people get their facts awfully screwed up. £10 million is nothing, any government of any colour rosettes could spunk that much against the wall before breakfast and not even blink.
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Mick Norman At what point does a number become more than 'nothing'? £11 million? £12 million? Higher? It's that kind of thinking that creates debt.
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Paul Eddison Govt has spent 26 Billion on computer systems that don't work, 18 Billion on National ID cards scheme that no one wanted and 5 billion on the mistimed sale of UK gold reserves - If we've only wasted £10 million then that's probably a good outcome. As a...See More
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Mick Norman Just because there are better examples of waste doesn't mean its not worth complaining about! Waste is waste.
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Richard Shore Can I have an ordered list of things I'm allowed to object to please?
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Andrew Height If this gets you going then see my blog tonight.
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Lindsey Messenger well said Andrew...so agree with you!
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Paul Eddison Always amazed by intelligent people who ridicule wrestling than go and vote for the different coloured rosettes! Booo here comes the baddy
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Final word... Maybe.
ReplyDeleteAndrew Height Thanks for your input guys. Now I understand why I have such mixed feelings about MT. There is one thing for sure though, she has left an impression in our minds and country that seems to be greater than Churchill, it seems greater than Wellington. Maybe the State Funeral was justified after all.